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Talking AD&D, Tolkien, and Edgar Rice Burroughs on Twitter

Okay, this might be danged hard to follow but it’s also a lot of fun.

A lot of good points are made in here, so click on through for the rest of the discussion!

7 responses to “Talking AD&D, Tolkien, and Edgar Rice Burroughs on Twitter

  1. malcolmthecynic July 13, 2019 at 12:43 pm

    As that one guy who has disagreed with you about Tolkien before, you are absolutely correct here.

    It is silly to say ERB didn’t influence Tolkien. He didn’t name him as a direct influence. I also didn’t name Tolkien as a direct influence on “Tales of the Once and Future King”, but it’s basically impossible in the modern world for him not to be an INdirect influence in modern fantasy.

    So it was with Tolkien and ERB.

    • jeffro July 13, 2019 at 7:41 pm

      Ah, thanks. Still trying to fine tune this critical frame and the feedback really helps.

      Of course, the only other creator in the 20th century to influence everything after him to the extent that Edgar Rice Burroughs did was… E. Gary Gygax. Bah-ha-ha!

      • malcolmthecynic July 14, 2019 at 12:10 pm

        That’s distinctly possible. A lot of m9dern fantasy that’s called Tolkien-derivative tends to have a lot more in common with that “throw it all at the wall” RPG flavor.

  2. malcolmthecynic July 13, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    (Unless, of course, you are deliberately avoiding Tolkien. But that 1) is actually direct influence and 2) when did Tolkien ever say he was AVOIDING ERB?

  3. malcolmthecynic July 13, 2019 at 12:49 pm

    As for LotR being Tolkien’s magnum opus…it is fair to say that nowadays, I think, but Tolkien would have denied it.

    In fact, he would deny he HAD a magnum opus. It was supposed to be the Silmarillion but that was never finished.

    Jeffro, you ever watch/read JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure? You really, REALLY should. You’ll love it. Its influences are everything and the kitchen sink, and it’s willing to go anywhere and do anything.

  4. John Boyle July 13, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    Fascinating. Not least because no one in this discussion has resorted to calling ERB a woman-hating, imperialistic racist, which would have been expected in almost any conversation in the past 30 years.

    • jeffro July 13, 2019 at 7:42 pm

      You know it’s a lot harder for people to pull those shenanigans when there’s an energetic cadre of people that know precisely what he did and why it’s important…!

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